1 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:22,460 this is KJ cr-z research radio job on 2 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:38,550 all right everybody welcome back welcome 3 00:00:48,540 --> 00:00:43,690 back whoo live from Burbank California 4 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:48,550 this is KJ see our fade to black on the 5 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:52,570 dark matter radio network yeah I would 6 00:00:59,250 --> 00:00:54,190 like to thank Jason Martel for coming in 7 00:01:02,910 --> 00:00:59,260 that was awesome okay follow us on 8 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:02,920 Twitter that's at kjc our fade to black 9 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:05,729 you go over to YouTube you can email us 10 00:01:11,999 --> 00:01:09,280 Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com we'll be 11 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:12,009 getting to that stuff in just a second I 12 00:01:15,510 --> 00:01:14,950 would like to welcome to the show right 13 00:01:20,969 --> 00:01:15,520 now 14 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:20,979 Ralph wolf McCarran ralpherz is was on 15 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:25,570 the board of MUFON LA since 1992 I need 16 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:28,690 to explain that is 21 years as their 17 00:01:34,380 --> 00:01:31,210 technical director webmaster and video 18 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:34,390 analyst since 2001 he was a member of 19 00:01:39,539 --> 00:01:37,780 lau forg and that is the los angeles UFO 20 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:39,549 research group and that was started over 21 00:01:44,460 --> 00:01:41,470 at UCLA right here in los angeles and 22 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:44,470 then with an truffle mr. McCarran took 23 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:47,260 four years to catalog he's gonna tell us 24 00:01:52,710 --> 00:01:49,090 all about this and in just a second that 25 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:52,720 James McDonald archive he is considered 26 00:02:00,030 --> 00:01:55,330 one of the original investigators of 27 00:02:03,180 --> 00:02:00,040 area 51 he is listed on ufi Montcalm UFO 28 00:02:05,730 --> 00:02:03,190 mine calm as one of the people related 29 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:05,740 to area 51 I'd like to welcome to the 30 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:08,739 program right now Ralph wolf McCarran 31 00:02:13,140 --> 00:02:11,110 wolf how are you sir good buddy how you 32 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:13,150 doing 33 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:17,530 we've got a lot to talk about and before 34 00:02:23,729 --> 00:02:20,170 before we get because what we're gonna 35 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:23,739 do with with Wolf is we're gonna we're 36 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:25,000 gonna talk for about an hour and then in 37 00:02:29,310 --> 00:02:26,650 the second hour we're gonna be taking 38 00:02:32,310 --> 00:02:29,320 your phone calls and everything will be 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:32,320 on skype and we'll get to that in just a 40 00:02:35,490 --> 00:02:33,970 little bit and I'll give you the secret 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:35,500 Skype number that won't be secret 42 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:39,370 anymore but but before we get to all of 43 00:02:44,729 --> 00:02:43,209 that what I asked the same thing of 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:44,739 Jason Martel I asked this of every 45 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:48,170 single guest what gotcha 46 00:02:52,270 --> 00:02:50,120 into this what got you into this 47 00:02:55,449 --> 00:02:52,280 research you've been doing it for almost 48 00:02:57,790 --> 00:02:55,459 half of your life or longer what got you 49 00:02:59,410 --> 00:02:57,800 in to doing this type of research when I 50 00:03:03,339 --> 00:02:59,420 was 12 years old I read Chariots of the 51 00:03:06,309 --> 00:03:03,349 god one Dawkins book which was published 52 00:03:08,770 --> 00:03:06,319 in 68 so did you see the movie when it 53 00:03:12,910 --> 00:03:08,780 was in first theater yeah I did to 54 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:12,920 change me oh man yeah you know what was 55 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:15,410 funny and and we're just gonna talk you 56 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:19,489 know we're friends but when that movie 57 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:21,380 came out and that book came out at that 58 00:03:26,559 --> 00:03:23,390 age I just thought why doesn't everybody 59 00:03:27,820 --> 00:03:26,569 know about this it makes sense to me you 60 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:27,830 know did it do the same thing for you 61 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:30,560 yeah yes no I mean that it was it just 62 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:32,209 didn't treat me to get into the field 63 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:33,769 and to start reading everything I could 64 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:36,049 on the subject basically so I started 65 00:03:40,930 --> 00:03:38,000 really young and then uh I just read as 66 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:40,940 much as I could the original group of 67 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:42,880 guys let's let's get right into area 51 68 00:03:47,860 --> 00:03:45,350 because we will run out of time before 69 00:03:50,289 --> 00:03:47,870 you know it the original group of guys 70 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:50,299 and you and I were talking about this a 71 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:52,660 couple of weeks ago but UFO mine calm 72 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:55,910 really changed it for me like Chariots 73 00:04:00,039 --> 00:03:57,200 of the Gods you know there's a few 74 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:00,049 seminal moments with everybody and UFO 75 00:04:09,069 --> 00:04:02,470 mind and I'm gonna guess here and say 76 00:04:11,949 --> 00:04:09,079 1996 1995 1996 you know AOL 1.0 UFO mind 77 00:04:14,410 --> 00:04:11,959 when I discovered that website and I 78 00:04:17,259 --> 00:04:14,420 have no idea how many seems like 79 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:17,269 probably a thousand pages of stuff of 80 00:04:21,909 --> 00:04:20,329 data and and back then extensive it 81 00:04:26,050 --> 00:04:21,919 would be extensive today but back then 82 00:04:29,590 --> 00:04:26,060 it was crazy I spent probably the better 83 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:29,600 part of two months reading and clicking 84 00:04:34,990 --> 00:04:33,200 on every single link on that site and 85 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:35,000 after a couple of months I'll never 86 00:04:42,430 --> 00:04:39,440 forget it i Don the last link I was done 87 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:42,440 and I was almost depressed but that 88 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:46,430 website it was so and I just want to put 89 00:04:48,670 --> 00:04:47,990 this in the right frame of mind for 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:48,680 everybody 91 00:04:54,790 --> 00:04:52,250 it was so comprehensive you know it was 92 00:04:56,469 --> 00:04:54,800 right it was spot-on the money and it 93 00:04:59,740 --> 00:04:56,479 talked about everything in such a 94 00:05:03,370 --> 00:04:59,750 factual way and and so forth but you 95 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:03,380 were on that website you were one of the 96 00:05:10,270 --> 00:05:07,730 original people linked to area 51 on UFO 97 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:10,280 mine calm and and that is a very 98 00:05:14,470 --> 00:05:12,710 important thing so though that original 99 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:14,480 group of guys and and I'm just setting 100 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:16,340 this up for everybody we're talking 101 00:05:23,610 --> 00:05:20,030 about Jim Goodall John Lear jump in if I 102 00:05:28,810 --> 00:05:23,620 miss anybody Sean Morton huff gene Huff 103 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:28,820 Gloria Norio Hayakawa George Knapp Bob 104 00:05:33,970 --> 00:05:31,730 Lazar right that original core group of 105 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:33,980 guys there's only maybe ten names on 106 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:36,470 that list you're one of those names so 107 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:39,530 let take us back to that time and how 108 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:41,630 did you get into that and how did you 109 00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:44,210 find was it even called area 51 back 110 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:45,710 then there were other different names 111 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:48,110 for there's the ranch the box 112 00:05:54,159 --> 00:05:51,470 pilots called the Box you know dream 113 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:54,169 land you know there's so many different 114 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:56,000 names they called it but that there's 115 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:57,410 not really ever been an official name 116 00:06:00,430 --> 00:05:59,090 but you know different people that work 117 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:00,440 there whatever had you know call the 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:01,310 different things but it was never 119 00:06:05,050 --> 00:06:03,410 released to later you know was it called 120 00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:05,060 area 51 when you started your research 121 00:06:09,219 --> 00:06:06,590 well that was that was part of the 122 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:09,229 plotting of the the the way the 123 00:06:12,490 --> 00:06:10,580 government plotted the land maps or 124 00:06:13,719 --> 00:06:12,500 whatever there's an area 10 and area 12 125 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:13,729 there's all these different areas so 126 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:15,470 that was just one of the designations 127 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:18,050 but you know it had different names some 128 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:19,490 people work there called it the ranch 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:23,000 right okay okay so that's where s4 got 130 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:24,890 its designation to because that was just 131 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:26,750 a position on a map yeah well there's 132 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:28,370 two well there's kind of most people 133 00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:29,900 know this but there's actually two s 134 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:31,880 fours it's kind of confusing because 135 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:33,410 there's s for the Lazar talks about in 136 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:35,360 your Papoose Lake but there actually is 137 00:06:42,190 --> 00:06:39,470 a site for that in Tonopah that's used 138 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:42,200 to test radar like you know we have all 139 00:06:46,090 --> 00:06:43,610 the radars in the world there from 140 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:46,100 Russia from Japan and when we test 141 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:47,570 stealth aircraft what it have you not 142 00:06:52,030 --> 00:06:50,090 this site for is where they have all 143 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:52,040 these you know all these radars from all 144 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:54,080 over the world different countries where 145 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:55,850 they Jam the planes and try to see if 146 00:06:59,170 --> 00:06:57,260 they're stealth or whatever see if they 147 00:07:01,060 --> 00:06:59,180 can and that's a missile test range 148 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:01,070 right Tunip a Tonopah well total balls 149 00:07:05,469 --> 00:07:02,390 tested this really tested the stealth 150 00:07:08,620 --> 00:07:05,479 aircraft I mean Willie they they built 151 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:08,630 it at Lockheed they transported area 51 152 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:09,940 it was test flown there and then they 153 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:13,190 once once the RDS done the test they'd 154 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:13,409 be 155 00:07:17,149 --> 00:07:14,969 these little mini ministry hangers out 156 00:07:18,769 --> 00:07:17,159 Tonopah legate you know 1820 hangers 157 00:07:21,379 --> 00:07:18,779 were the Stealth's would stay in the 158 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:21,389 guys that phoom lived on the base and 159 00:07:24,949 --> 00:07:22,860 worked out their from you know months at 160 00:07:26,779 --> 00:07:24,959 a time and they just fluid and that got 161 00:07:28,369 --> 00:07:26,789 it ready for you know the final stages 162 00:07:30,049 --> 00:07:28,379 before it went off to a war whatever 163 00:07:32,359 --> 00:07:30,059 okay we'll take this back to that time 164 00:07:35,779 --> 00:07:32,369 okay so what year was this your first 165 00:07:38,659 --> 00:07:35,789 trip out what what year well i and you 166 00:07:40,219 --> 00:07:38,669 go with well i i started early on I just 167 00:07:42,350 --> 00:07:40,229 I think I read an article is our annual 168 00:07:46,309 --> 00:07:42,360 magazine which you know was published by 169 00:07:48,169 --> 00:07:46,319 Don Ecker and a vicar and I'm I I was 170 00:07:50,629 --> 00:07:48,179 intrigued by the you know the Lazar 171 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:50,639 story in about area 51 back then nobody 172 00:07:55,579 --> 00:07:52,889 really knew where every 51 was or were 173 00:07:57,679 --> 00:07:55,589 how to get to it or whatever only guys 174 00:07:59,329 --> 00:07:57,689 that were kind of like you know guys 175 00:08:01,429 --> 00:07:59,339 maybe worked at Edwards or guys that 176 00:08:03,109 --> 00:08:01,439 kind of were black op kind of guys would 177 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:03,119 kind of knew kind of where it was but 178 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:05,610 not really so I read that article I was 179 00:08:09,259 --> 00:08:07,139 interested in - it's so much a UFO 180 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:09,269 convention and and sure enough nouriel's 181 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:11,699 there and norio and i meet the first 182 00:08:17,119 --> 00:08:13,919 time he's got all his you know pictures 183 00:08:19,129 --> 00:08:17,129 of all the satellite pictures are very 184 00:08:22,129 --> 00:08:19,139 51 and whatnot and this was probably 185 00:08:23,749 --> 00:08:22,139 back like in a 90 or 91 it was with the 186 00:08:26,179 --> 00:08:23,759 it was the UFO Expos that were held at 187 00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:26,189 the LA Hyatt Regency hotels the real 188 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:27,599 early ones and that's that's one that 189 00:08:32,839 --> 00:08:30,240 were Lear spoke at and even a William 190 00:08:34,540 --> 00:08:32,849 Cooper was that - no bill yeah Cooper 191 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:34,550 and actually got videos of both of those 192 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:37,289 not widely seen on the internet but uh 193 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:39,769 but actually a video of both of those uh 194 00:08:44,569 --> 00:08:43,169 talks but uh that's kind of how I got 195 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:44,579 interested into it and then I just 196 00:08:47,629 --> 00:08:45,180 started going 197 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:47,639 I was already in MUFON you know I was 198 00:08:50,509 --> 00:08:49,110 already you know you're talking I 199 00:08:52,429 --> 00:08:50,519 started when I was like 12 years old so 200 00:08:53,749 --> 00:08:52,439 so I already had this but I started to 201 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:53,759 do and I started getting a way of 202 00:08:57,799 --> 00:08:55,350 regular beautiful research and getting 203 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:57,809 into my own research like it I wasn't 204 00:09:00,620 --> 00:08:59,519 really wanted to be involved with MUFON 205 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:00,630 and that kind of thing I kind of wanted 206 00:09:04,189 --> 00:09:02,730 to do my own and kind of get away and 207 00:09:06,499 --> 00:09:04,199 start I figured if anybody knows where 208 00:09:08,030 --> 00:09:06,509 the were the you know where this stuff 209 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:08,040 is that it's gonna be the military so I 210 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:09,689 started getting involved in black ops 211 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:11,490 research so that's kind of where I focus 212 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:15,529 my research and then I started I 213 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:18,420 produced a video back in like 91 that 214 00:09:22,220 --> 00:09:20,610 was sold through UFO magazine that told 215 00:09:23,809 --> 00:09:22,230 people is called the area 51 viewers 216 00:09:27,049 --> 00:09:23,819 guide and would basically told people 217 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:27,059 how to get to area 51 okay I sold like 218 00:09:29,900 --> 00:09:27,540 five 219 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:29,910 600 copies and people would buy it just 220 00:09:35,060 --> 00:09:31,680 so they could figure know how to get to 221 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:35,070 every 50 internet before rightful didn't 222 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:37,140 know you know there was no is real early 223 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:38,640 internet so people didn't really know 224 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:40,980 how to get out there so what did you do 225 00:09:45,470 --> 00:09:44,250 just head up the the highway looking for 226 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:45,480 the black mailbox 227 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:48,060 you know I well I started yeah I started 228 00:09:53,150 --> 00:09:51,030 doing like these little solo ventures by 229 00:09:55,370 --> 00:09:53,160 myself but then after I had my video 230 00:09:57,410 --> 00:09:55,380 tapes out I started getting kind of a 231 00:10:00,710 --> 00:09:57,420 little bit of a fan base but I I met a I 232 00:10:04,390 --> 00:10:00,720 met another guy up on freedom Ridge back 233 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:04,400 in the day this is the early days before 234 00:10:08,330 --> 00:10:06,570 that used to be able to hike to freedom 235 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:08,340 Ridge I have to go on the back side you 236 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:10,410 couldn't get around the border because 237 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:12,690 it was blocked by the guards actually 238 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:14,580 the security guards at the base actually 239 00:10:18,140 --> 00:10:16,290 originally blew it up with dynamite 240 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:18,150 there was another little road that was 241 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:20,910 actually accessible to get in but it was 242 00:10:23,810 --> 00:10:22,530 it was still inside the border but they 243 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:23,820 still knew that the guards knew that 244 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:25,410 they didn't want to be going in there so 245 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:26,610 we used to have to hike up the backside 246 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:29,940 it's a two-hour hike and I met a partner 247 00:10:32,780 --> 00:10:31,260 of mine that actually bought my 248 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:32,790 videotape I'm sitting in a lawn chair on 249 00:10:36,050 --> 00:10:34,710 freedom Ridge and this guy comes up 250 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:36,060 we're talking about stuff and he's like 251 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:37,920 oh oh yeah I bought this how do you know 252 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:38,880 how to get up here or about this 253 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:40,920 videotape he goes oh you Ralph McCarran 254 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:43,020 oh I bought your tape so it's here's the 255 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:45,360 kind about my tape that I met but it 256 00:10:48,890 --> 00:10:46,950 ended up he sees me became good friends 257 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:48,900 like lifelong friends but he was he's a 258 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:51,870 guy that was actually became a part of 259 00:10:55,820 --> 00:10:53,640 my team I started assembling a team of 260 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:55,830 guys to go out there have a pilot that 261 00:11:00,740 --> 00:10:56,880 flew for Sky West 262 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:00,750 well before we get yeah but I want you 263 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:03,510 to set up how did you your first trip I 264 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:05,670 mean you're going out you got maps in 265 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:07,890 your hand I guess right what are you 266 00:11:11,330 --> 00:11:09,630 looking for how do you know well you the 267 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:11,340 black mailbox is the first thing that's 268 00:11:21,470 --> 00:11:14,580 the the beacon there the 2001 space on 269 00:11:23,450 --> 00:11:21,480 your out there bursa and you find the 270 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:23,460 black mailbox yeah yeah I mean they go 271 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:25,650 right hand turning mailbox on highway 272 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:28,890 375 the only one so yeah you you best 273 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:30,150 were baek's people in the early days you 274 00:11:34,490 --> 00:11:32,640 just camp out at that mailbox and you 275 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:34,500 know people would go and just you know 276 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:36,240 but there and and you're talking it's 277 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:38,730 like a that's still 12 miles away from 278 00:11:42,740 --> 00:11:39,510 the border 279 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:42,750 so people would just stay there because 280 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:44,100 they don't really know where two people 281 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:45,330 kind of knew where to look like hey you 282 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:48,120 look you know this way and that's kind 283 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:49,350 of this mountain range and that's kind 284 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:50,880 of where lights come in but people back 285 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:52,710 then would look always at the Janet 286 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:54,030 flights coming and and people thought 287 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:55,230 there were UFOs and they weren't they 288 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:57,060 were just the workers coming in and the 289 00:11:59,780 --> 00:11:58,290 flights the planes would leave like a 290 00:12:01,730 --> 00:11:59,790 four in the morning outside of you know 291 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:01,740 McCarran Airport across from the Luxor 292 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:03,930 and people thought they were seeing this 293 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:05,430 UFO is actually the Jan of the plane 294 00:12:08,570 --> 00:12:07,350 coming at you for a little while so it 295 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:08,580 looks like a UFO it looks like it's 296 00:12:11,870 --> 00:12:09,450 hovering she's looking at an aircraft 297 00:12:13,490 --> 00:12:11,880 right at 7:37 and then it would make a 298 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:13,500 turn right and the turn would be its 299 00:12:18,050 --> 00:12:16,170 turning so it's going to land at area 51 300 00:12:19,310 --> 00:12:18,060 right so people would for years would 301 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:19,320 just you know look at this plane to 302 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:21,600 think it was a UFO but it wasn't not in 303 00:12:25,130 --> 00:12:23,310 la la' guys like Shawn Warren and stuff 304 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:25,140 like that would take people out to see 305 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:27,750 this UFO and it wasn't a UFO was a jet 306 00:12:30,770 --> 00:12:29,550 who else would you see out there when 307 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:30,780 you were out there was it guys like 308 00:12:38,270 --> 00:12:36,330 Shawn Morton yeah long time ago when he 309 00:12:40,010 --> 00:12:38,280 used to do I took one of his trips just 310 00:12:41,810 --> 00:12:40,020 for fun is back in the day with a couple 311 00:12:43,010 --> 00:12:41,820 friends of mine and we went out there 312 00:12:44,570 --> 00:12:43,020 but we did see some interesting things 313 00:12:47,450 --> 00:12:44,580 we would go stay at a place called 314 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:47,460 campfire Hill which is it's it's halfway 315 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:50,010 down groom lick road you know and it was 316 00:12:53,420 --> 00:12:51,120 a place where a lot of research would 317 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:53,430 stay and hang out and get Pinnock as 318 00:12:58,130 --> 00:12:54,930 whatnot and look at the base and we used 319 00:13:00,200 --> 00:12:58,140 to hike a peak called Whitesides that's 320 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:00,210 that's beef this is before freedom Ridge 321 00:13:03,890 --> 00:13:02,490 was even in existence or you know Glen 322 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:03,900 Campbell is one who found discovered 323 00:13:07,940 --> 00:13:06,420 freedom Ridge Gary Schultz is the one 324 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:07,950 who kind of discovered him and his wife 325 00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:10,050 discovered kind of Whitesides at least 326 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:11,400 like maybe hey that mountain we can hike 327 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:12,570 up that maybe that's still within the 328 00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:14,310 border so I would hike up there with a 329 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:16,740 backpack and put my cameras back there 330 00:13:19,820 --> 00:13:18,570 my video cameras and I was one of the 331 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:19,830 early guys that actually was able to 332 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:21,180 shoot the base without getting kakuzu 333 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:22,470 I'd hide my cameras and stuff and not 334 00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:24,180 let the guards the guards saw that you 335 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:25,830 had cameras they would basically contact 336 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:27,990 the security but it still take a new 337 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:30,300 from Alamo would take another 45 minutes 338 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:32,580 for the sheriff to come to get me so by 339 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:33,690 that time I'd already hiked down the 340 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:35,190 mountain I'd be gone you know were you 341 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:37,730 ever arrested no because I would always 342 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:38,910 always 343 00:13:43,940 --> 00:13:41,220 well we back in the day we had scanners 344 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:43,950 we'd monitor the the sheriff we'd 345 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:45,330 monitor all the guards just when they 346 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:46,560 were in the clear they weren't encrypted 347 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:48,660 so this is early this is like 92 you 348 00:13:51,260 --> 00:13:49,920 know so I was able to listen all the 349 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:51,270 guards talking it was like a 350 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:53,220 cat-and-mouse game he would we listened 351 00:13:55,819 --> 00:13:54,480 to the guards the guards could never 352 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,829 how we knew what they were doing all the 353 00:13:59,420 --> 00:13:58,079 time because you know we were we were 354 00:14:00,889 --> 00:13:59,430 listening to them but at the time they 355 00:14:03,470 --> 00:14:00,899 didn't know it but you're lugging up 356 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:03,480 you're taking with you it was Anna video 357 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:06,870 cameras telescope telescope binoculars 358 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:09,570 folding chairs and Whitesides was the 359 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:11,160 the first mountain that we could hike up 360 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:12,690 and I was the first to get video footage 361 00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:15,180 of the base and all this stuff was you 362 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:17,430 know in the early days it was like all 363 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:20,010 eventually all the footage that people 364 00:14:23,329 --> 00:14:21,360 see on documentaries most that footage 365 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:23,339 came from me of the base it's it's you 366 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:24,540 know I was content by learning channel 367 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:26,490 discovery what have you history I mean 368 00:14:30,019 --> 00:14:27,570 just goes on and on 369 00:14:32,269 --> 00:14:30,029 they knew like I was the area 51 guy to 370 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:32,279 go to guy to get footage of the base 371 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:33,930 whether it was a guards Blackhawks 372 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:37,370 coming after me or whatever okay so 373 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:40,110 before I asked the obvious question 374 00:14:44,420 --> 00:14:42,510 which is you know what was the coolest 375 00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:44,430 thing you know what did you see what you 376 00:14:48,410 --> 00:14:46,350 know what was the one thing and and all 377 00:14:49,970 --> 00:14:48,420 of that I want to ask you a couple of 378 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:49,980 questions about some of the things that 379 00:14:56,689 --> 00:14:53,070 Bob Lazar has gone on the record and and 380 00:14:58,939 --> 00:14:56,699 mentioned and talked about such as when 381 00:15:02,329 --> 00:14:58,949 he talks about Papoose Lake and s4 and 382 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:02,339 these the hangars on the on the sides of 383 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:04,050 Bounce I'm not I'm not in any way 384 00:15:08,689 --> 00:15:05,910 discrediting anything that Bob Lazar a 385 00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:08,699 set but did you see anything that would 386 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:11,100 back up maybe what Bob Lazar had said 387 00:15:16,430 --> 00:15:14,880 and as well as some of the the test 388 00:15:19,699 --> 00:15:16,440 flights that he was talking about with 389 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:19,709 some of the the craft well I could get 390 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:22,769 into what I saw in 93 out there with a 391 00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:24,690 group of people this was I think the 392 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:27,560 Shawn one trip but uh we saw I saw 393 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:29,490 something I mean I don't know stole 394 00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:30,990 today's what it was but we did see 395 00:15:34,430 --> 00:15:32,940 something that looked like a star that 396 00:15:36,439 --> 00:15:34,440 was just sitting in the sky for a long 397 00:15:37,730 --> 00:15:36,449 period of time and it basically just 398 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,740 kind of dropped out of the sky but 399 00:15:40,579 --> 00:15:39,120 stopped like over the base like it 400 00:15:42,170 --> 00:15:40,589 didn't fall like a meteor it didn't keep 401 00:15:43,309 --> 00:15:42,180 going it stopped and there kind of 402 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:43,319 hovered there for a walk grew really 403 00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:45,510 bright and then it's slowly kind of 404 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:47,670 lowered itself into the base and then it 405 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:49,170 was another time where we had it where 406 00:15:53,449 --> 00:15:50,760 we saw somebody kind of they were 407 00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,459 watching this this the sky but they saw 408 00:15:57,650 --> 00:15:55,199 like a section of the sky move almost 409 00:15:58,819 --> 00:15:57,660 like a piece of the sky like it's like 410 00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,829 you're watching the stars all of a 411 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:00,480 sudden you see this huge section of the 412 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:02,130 sky move and if we're like a 413 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:03,899 cut-and-paste through yeah like 414 00:16:07,309 --> 00:16:05,730 something like a you know let's say 415 00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:07,319 there's a triangle in the sky you see it 416 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:08,070 move 417 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:11,580 I've heard other people in the past but 418 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:14,310 UFOs seeing people have exciting seeing 419 00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:16,890 things like this where you know you know 420 00:16:18,950 --> 00:16:18,120 how you talk about like a triangle where 421 00:16:22,180 --> 00:16:18,960 it's cloaked and it looks like 422 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:22,190 something's moving almost like the the 423 00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,350 the the Schwarzenegger movie the 424 00:16:28,010 --> 00:16:26,880 predator you know where I kind of look 425 00:16:31,940 --> 00:16:28,020 at something it's invisible but 426 00:16:34,010 --> 00:16:31,950 distorted it was kind of like that kind 427 00:16:35,450 --> 00:16:34,020 of thing but we did see it and it was 428 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:35,460 it's kind of weird and I can't even 429 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:37,050 explain it but that's what it do you 430 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:39,420 have anything posted online but I don't 431 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:40,800 want to jump ahead but is there anything 432 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:45,120 posted online about that no okay so 433 00:16:51,020 --> 00:16:49,110 you're up there and like I said the way 434 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:51,030 that bob lazar and i'm not gonna this is 435 00:16:56,180 --> 00:16:53,850 not a bob lazar show but he certainly 436 00:16:59,510 --> 00:16:56,190 had some pretty fascinating things to 437 00:17:02,810 --> 00:16:59,520 say and it he was first or you know one 438 00:17:04,579 --> 00:17:02,820 of the first but with the testing of 439 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:04,589 craft you're up on top of the hill 440 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:06,900 you've got your binoculars you've got 441 00:17:12,290 --> 00:17:08,280 your video camera you've got your 442 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:12,300 friends you've got a folding chair did 443 00:17:19,370 --> 00:17:16,920 you ever see a craft no not if not at 51 444 00:17:22,550 --> 00:17:19,380 well it every 51 they would do all their 445 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:22,560 tests and this was like you know not you 446 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:24,780 could just black test let's say you know 447 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:25,890 Lazar used to say they didn't my 448 00:17:28,940 --> 00:17:27,390 Wednesdays at a certain time it was 449 00:17:30,170 --> 00:17:28,950 always seven o'clock or whatever in the 450 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:30,180 morning or whatever and Shawn would do 451 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:31,920 the same thing take people out there but 452 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:34,250 a lot of tests are done because I 453 00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:36,810 monitor the base we have a group of 454 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:39,270 researchers we we do scanner you know 455 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:40,410 frequency research where we have 456 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:41,940 scanners and you know we bring anyway 457 00:17:46,220 --> 00:17:43,770 we're we got you know frequencies 458 00:17:48,290 --> 00:17:46,230 control tower frequencies to the tower 459 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:48,300 we ran the guards this is in the early 460 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:49,530 days we had a lot of a lot of 461 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:50,850 frequencies to the planes we could hear 462 00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,950 the pilots we recorded hours and hours 463 00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:54,720 of data from area 51 as far as research 464 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:56,880 a lot of this a lot of them they would 465 00:18:00,260 --> 00:17:58,080 do stuff in the morning like around 466 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:00,270 10:00 o'clock lunch time is always quiet 467 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:02,550 they break off and then they gear up for 468 00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:03,990 stuff at night but stuff was always done 469 00:18:10,370 --> 00:18:07,920 at night as far as testing and as far as 470 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:10,380 Lazar goes there's you know with Stan 471 00:18:13,340 --> 00:18:11,640 Freeman and everything like that Stan 472 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:13,350 research and pretty well thoroughly and 473 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:15,630 and could never really prove his in his 474 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:17,610 education background or whether he went 475 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:20,460 to certain things so I still kind of on 476 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:21,490 the fence with Lazar 477 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:23,110 you know mmm and there's some weird 478 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:24,580 things with this you know social 479 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:26,590 security number with with the I mean I 480 00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:27,970 social security number is an ID number 481 00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:30,340 on his badge that there's that story 482 00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:32,320 about Goodall asking a guy you've heard 483 00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:34,300 that story yeah yeah tag on and whatnot 484 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:37,000 and but you know as far as having any 485 00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:39,370 proof anything flying at it as for that 486 00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:43,470 that I never really a garnered until I 487 00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:48,640 had a talk with the hiker archaeologist 488 00:18:53,540 --> 00:18:50,590 Jerry Freeman okay well we're gonna get 489 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:53,550 to Gerry Freeman in just a second but 490 00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,490 when you when you film and you say the 491 00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:00,160 action is always at night was there 492 00:19:04,650 --> 00:19:03,160 anything that you couldn't explain well 493 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:04,660 because and the reason why I'm getting 494 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:07,870 to that it could have been Aurora could 495 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:11,350 have been some type of oh not only 496 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:13,870 Aurora but anything else drones all the 497 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:15,850 technology that we have today was tested 498 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:18,370 back then but was there anything that 499 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:20,830 you just couldn't explain away as an 500 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,809 airplane it's tough that one instant 501 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:24,160 1993 that was the only incident 502 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,990 everything else since then was you know 503 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:27,520 either b2 is going up and down the base 504 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:28,630 gene test we always knew when they were 505 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:29,650 doing testing because you have to 506 00:19:33,690 --> 00:19:31,450 understand that we were monitored there 507 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:33,700 but the base with scanners so we had all 508 00:19:37,380 --> 00:19:35,350 the frequencies to the tower to the 509 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:37,390 ground crews everything and we could 510 00:19:40,919 --> 00:19:39,700 know they would basically you know they 511 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:40,929 basically say when they're gonna do a 512 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,870 you know it'll you know a Oh 800 hours 513 00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:45,280 or whatever they when the test was gonna 514 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:46,540 go down so we already knew when they're 515 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:48,700 gonna test because we were tapped into 516 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:51,910 the frequencies and and so we would know 517 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:53,140 when stuff will go off at night we just 518 00:19:55,650 --> 00:19:54,490 wait around a lot of times was 2:00 in 519 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,660 the morning to 6:00 the morning there's 520 00:20:00,210 --> 00:19:57,780 one strange incident where they were 521 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:00,220 this was really nuts cuz they kept this 522 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:01,600 is in the early days they kept trying to 523 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:02,950 they were they were pissed because their 524 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:04,600 encryption wasn't working they're trying 525 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:07,000 to go scramble to go to digital and they 526 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:08,590 want to work they said well we should be 527 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:09,910 going to clear should we go in the clear 528 00:20:13,049 --> 00:20:11,320 and that hold night I have this whole 529 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:13,059 thing recorded this whole thing at area 530 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:15,970 51 on on tape I still have it and and 531 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:17,050 they were like moving around these 532 00:20:20,850 --> 00:20:19,240 satellite trucks like I almost imagine 533 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:20,860 like I assume that they were trying to 534 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:25,090 do some type of a GPS kind of hooking up 535 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:26,350 with satellites they kept moving these 536 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,750 trucks but the area 51 is mostly a lot 537 00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:31,120 of weapons okay they do all kinds of 538 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:32,590 weaponry there and and you know lasers 539 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:34,390 things like that 540 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:36,490 you know stealth planes outfit with 541 00:20:41,070 --> 00:20:38,770 lasers it's it's it's all like black 542 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:41,080 weaponry now it could could it be your 543 00:20:45,450 --> 00:20:42,400 full weaponry could or your phobia 544 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,460 weapon sure could you know but but that 545 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:46,720 part of it I don't know but I do have 546 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,730 some really crazy stories about people 547 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,080 that I know inside a Rachel - little 548 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:53,440 alien that I've talked to that you know 549 00:20:56,670 --> 00:20:55,510 they're their husbands are dead he's 550 00:20:59,490 --> 00:20:56,680 worked there but I've heard all kinds of 551 00:21:02,600 --> 00:20:59,500 crazy stories I can tell you and so um 552 00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:02,610 well let's get to jerry Freeman okay so 553 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:06,460 Jerry Freeman was a teacher he's a 554 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:08,350 teacher he was a teacher / head to some 555 00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:10,090 high or something like that or he's an 556 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:13,540 educator and he decided oh yeah and he's 557 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:17,020 gonna go check out the 49ers who were 558 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:21,130 the the the pioneers to the West Coast 559 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:23,320 he was an avid hiker he climbed Mount 560 00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,450 Whitney and stuff and he was a teacher 561 00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:28,720 at pear blossom high but uh the way I 562 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:32,320 came up on his story is he actually he 563 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:33,850 actually was looking for the 49ers the 564 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:36,130 pioneers he was he was with his 565 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:39,220 daughters he's researching the trail you 566 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:40,150 know through America they eventually 567 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:41,710 died in Death Valley if you look up the 568 00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:43,750 Pioneers the 49ers but he was 569 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:45,160 researching their whole trail and trying 570 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:46,840 to retrace the steps of what they did 571 00:21:52,830 --> 00:21:50,290 and there's an inscription that they did 572 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:52,840 they basically went through Papoose Lake 573 00:21:57,540 --> 00:21:55,270 s4 and there was an inscription they 574 00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:57,550 made an AI Canyon of Assam marking you 575 00:22:03,990 --> 00:21:59,950 know the 49ers there in the wall there 576 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:04,000 now who said this inscription was made I 577 00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,770 don't know what guess it's known or 578 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:07,600 something I poked at study the 49ers 579 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:09,310 known that this it was in their journals 580 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:10,990 I think okay got you something 581 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:13,690 and so Jerry back then contacted Nellis 582 00:22:17,490 --> 00:22:15,190 Airforce range like hey I'm a teacher my 583 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:17,500 historian I researched the 49ers gonna 584 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:19,750 get access to he knew that their trail 585 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:21,250 went through Papoose Lake or went 586 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:23,320 through there that area which was all of 587 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:25,510 it all of his is right there you have 588 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:29,620 the test ranges Nellis area 51's for 589 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:32,440 it's all right there and he's planning 590 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:37,360 some type of hike to go through the test 591 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,730 ranges Nellis Air Force Base and pile 592 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:42,400 Eagles right and possibly area 51 okay 593 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:44,130 so pick it up so I can't do that so he 594 00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:47,650 so he is they told him of course the the 595 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:49,420 called the base and said can I do this 596 00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:50,530 and they turn him down of course because 597 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:52,870 it's going through the border of you 598 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:54,970 know 51 and you know the olden Ellis 599 00:22:59,870 --> 00:22:57,130 range which is you know highly secure so 600 00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,880 so he's gonna get it so he eventually 601 00:23:04,830 --> 00:23:02,320 was just like you know screw it I'm 602 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:04,840 gonna do it I'm just gonna go in yet his 603 00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:07,410 brother dropped him off like on the 604 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:09,430 fourth side of the base like the south 605 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:11,110 side or something and that was an area 606 00:23:14,490 --> 00:23:12,670 where the guards don't really hang the 607 00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:14,500 guards are mostly hang out near groom 608 00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:18,070 Lake and and you know the the north gate 609 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:19,900 and stuff like that that's really kind 610 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:21,160 of monitored where all the tours come in 611 00:23:26,010 --> 00:23:24,940 and acted 375 so they don't he came in 612 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:26,020 in the area that was actually kind of 613 00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:27,220 smart because of something that is 614 00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:29,500 really not you could basically kind of 615 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:30,580 if you know what you're doing kind of 616 00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:32,770 hike in and kind of go undetected now he 617 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:35,260 hiked he was really smart cos during the 618 00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,510 daytime he stayed on the hills so you'd 619 00:23:42,270 --> 00:23:39,700 want any you know road traffic any guard 620 00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:42,280 seemed so he he there's actually if you 621 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:44,440 look at a map there's a hill range that 622 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:46,270 follows kind of into Papoose Lake so 623 00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:49,090 during the day he hide he City hiked as 624 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,920 fast as he could during the day and then 625 00:23:55,020 --> 00:23:53,440 every any and every time you see a car 626 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,030 he ducked down like if you saw a car 627 00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:56,080 like there's a little road that goes 628 00:24:00,210 --> 00:23:58,510 through s4 right there where's s4 629 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:00,220 supposedly is so he'd see him do you see 630 00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:02,050 a vehicle he ducked down you know he's 631 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:03,460 always paranoid the guards are gonna see 632 00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:04,450 him he's by himself 633 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:07,180 hike then he leaves canteens so when he 634 00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:09,010 comes back he's not gonna run out of 635 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:10,150 water because you got to worry about 636 00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:11,470 water when you hike you have to so he 637 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:13,540 left a bunch of canteens coming in and 638 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:15,670 so when you go back he'd have water so 639 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:18,250 so he got he took all kinds of pictures 640 00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:19,720 it's it's I can give you a link to it 641 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:21,940 well before I worry I want everybody to 642 00:24:29,370 --> 00:24:25,510 understand that this is a very famous 643 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,380 story but you all of this is firsthand 644 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:31,840 you spoke to him directly and he told 645 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:33,970 you yeah he told you every detail on the 646 00:24:38,670 --> 00:24:35,260 story I want to set the record straight 647 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:38,680 this isn't hearsay you spoken he told 648 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:41,650 you the entire story himself now the the 649 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:44,110 guards the security at Nellis has told 650 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,230 him no I cannot come in and check out 651 00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:50,080 anything this is off-limits top you know 652 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:52,360 top secret security blah blah blah yeah 653 00:24:58,260 --> 00:24:55,870 so but he's taken it upon himself to do 654 00:25:00,000 --> 00:24:58,270 some type of day hike or is this is this 655 00:25:02,399 --> 00:25:00,010 now a two day hike 656 00:25:04,889 --> 00:25:02,409 for day hikes so this guy is going 657 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:04,899 through the desert through the Nellis 658 00:25:12,509 --> 00:25:09,210 test range adjacent the area 51 659 00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:12,519 undetected looking for an inscription in 660 00:25:18,659 --> 00:25:16,149 a cave somewhere right now okay what 661 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:18,669 does he see okay well he gets he 662 00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,860 eventually gets the the thing that I was 663 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:23,200 most wanted to know was Papoose Lake of 664 00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:25,510 course s for his Lazar always said 665 00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,830 there's hangar doors and there's lights 666 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:28,960 that come up you know what not at 667 00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,070 nighttime and then they test the 668 00:25:35,129 --> 00:25:33,039 aircraft so I told Jerry I said when you 669 00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:35,139 were at s4 he took a picture of him 670 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:36,460 inside 671 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:38,500 you know the Nellis Range taking a 672 00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:40,510 picture of you know right there in the 673 00:25:43,649 --> 00:25:41,980 dry lake yeah the Papoose mountains 674 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:43,659 right so we're these suppose that hangar 675 00:25:49,289 --> 00:25:47,710 doors are so um he told me I said did 676 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:49,299 you see any lights when you were there 677 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:50,590 at nighttime he spent the night up there 678 00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:52,510 looking at the Palouse mountains you see 679 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:53,980 anything in there's a little row where 680 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:56,049 they cease the security traffic what 681 00:26:00,690 --> 00:25:57,970 have you and he said that at nighttime 682 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,700 he did see some lights at the bottom of 683 00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:02,080 the base that looked like a hangar door 684 00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:04,600 was opening and like these lights were 685 00:26:08,129 --> 00:26:06,309 really bright he didn't see anything fly 686 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:08,139 out of it or anything like that but he 687 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:09,820 says he did say he saw these bright 688 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:11,740 lights at the bottom of the mountain and 689 00:26:16,649 --> 00:26:15,460 then the door shut and that's the only 690 00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:16,659 reference I ever heard of anybody 691 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,549 outside that physically saw something 692 00:26:22,049 --> 00:26:20,950 outside of lazarre's story so that's why 693 00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:22,059 I still kind of on the fence with 694 00:26:26,639 --> 00:26:24,100 Lazarre because it still shows that this 695 00:26:28,259 --> 00:26:26,649 guy did see something at the base there 696 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:28,269 like hangar doors had opened up at night 697 00:26:34,139 --> 00:26:31,809 but nothing flew out so but it's that 698 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:34,149 he's the first probably the only guy to 699 00:26:40,259 --> 00:26:37,480 cooperate Lazar story at least there's 700 00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,269 something kind of there as far as a 701 00:26:43,649 --> 00:26:42,159 facility or something as far as a 702 00:26:47,129 --> 00:26:43,659 facility being there's where is this 703 00:26:51,139 --> 00:26:47,139 photograph his wife has it have you seen 704 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:51,149 it no I've seen pictures of it that were 705 00:26:56,879 --> 00:26:53,350 Pablo's in an interview of what was like 706 00:26:59,129 --> 00:26:56,889 for a magazine cover but I I've seen the 707 00:27:00,480 --> 00:26:59,139 picture of it yeah but that's it but a 708 00:27:01,860 --> 00:27:00,490 well what did you see when you saw the 709 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:01,870 picture just a picture of the mountains 710 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:08,289 mountains okay so nothing like that okay 711 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:10,330 so his hiking light you know I mean so 712 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:12,730 he gets in and what else did he tell you 713 00:27:15,249 --> 00:27:13,970 that he saw before he 714 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:15,259 well he was just trying to get them a 715 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:16,850 description in the description he's told 716 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:18,049 me if I if he was running out of light 717 00:27:21,789 --> 00:27:20,090 he was dying a thirst he said if I had 718 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:21,799 he goes if I have one or two more hours 719 00:27:24,009 --> 00:27:22,850 that would have I would have been able 720 00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,019 to see who's trying to take a photo of 721 00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:26,240 that in description of the forty niners 722 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:28,340 so he eventually got out he hiked his 723 00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:30,200 way back he came into trouble with the 724 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:32,120 there's like the guard shack and he was 725 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:33,710 dying and dying of thirst in his canteen 726 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:35,450 was low he actually hustled to the back 727 00:27:38,019 --> 00:27:36,529 of the guard shack and there were guards 728 00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:38,029 in there there was a security truck and 729 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,100 he filled up his water bottle he found a 730 00:27:43,299 --> 00:27:41,600 hose fill his water boat really back in 731 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:43,309 the snuck back out but he was like right 732 00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,110 on these guys at the shack so he got out 733 00:27:49,419 --> 00:27:48,080 and he got away with it and and and you 734 00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:49,429 know he was just one of the few guys to 735 00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:52,309 get inside 51 without being you know 736 00:28:04,419 --> 00:27:55,580 detected by the guards when did he pass 737 00:28:06,610 --> 00:28:04,429 away he died of cancer yeah I got a 738 00:28:08,769 --> 00:28:06,620 cancer you have prostate cancer did he 739 00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:08,779 ever write a book okay well before I get 740 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:09,320 to that 741 00:28:16,269 --> 00:28:13,970 so there is closure to this story where 742 00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:16,279 he says and well I'll let you tell the 743 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:20,950 story he gets to the cave and he finds 744 00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:26,870 what well no not that cave no that is a 745 00:28:31,509 --> 00:28:28,580 crazy part of this story though that's 746 00:28:33,639 --> 00:28:31,519 not nykänen that's that's outside of 51 747 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,649 okay still about the the forty niners 748 00:28:37,869 --> 00:28:36,080 though yeah okay this was a different 749 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:37,879 cave this is prior to any of this even 750 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:38,570 happening 751 00:28:43,210 --> 00:28:40,610 he was just hiking and he walks into 752 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:43,220 this cave on the trail before Nellis and 753 00:28:48,610 --> 00:28:46,250 and he finds us this is this box that he 754 00:28:51,129 --> 00:28:48,620 he just gave it up to the museum I'm 755 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:51,139 like I found this but you know claiming 756 00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:52,490 it was supposedly had some items and 757 00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:54,529 ever supposed to be the 49ers or the 758 00:29:00,759 --> 00:28:58,340 pioneers box but it ended up being where 759 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:00,769 the box had glue in it so a lot of 760 00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:02,450 people blamed him for this hoax like 761 00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:04,460 that he found this box of the 49ers and 762 00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:06,740 it was a hoax and it wasn't real so when 763 00:29:09,879 --> 00:29:08,120 a lot of people see that they think that 764 00:29:11,649 --> 00:29:09,889 he was a hoax tree he did this but he 765 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:11,659 says that he just found it and presented 766 00:29:15,009 --> 00:29:13,220 the museum so there's no really proof of 767 00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:15,019 us knowing that but some people try to 768 00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:18,230 discredit him against the him actually 769 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:20,179 hiking in the Papoose Lake because of 770 00:29:25,749 --> 00:29:23,289 this incident so it's kind of well 771 00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:25,759 supposedly in this trunk and this has 772 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:26,860 nothing to do again 773 00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:30,010 area 51 but this kind of debunks his own 774 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:32,350 story which and it's a fascinating story 775 00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:36,330 about sneaking in to an ellis an area 51 776 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:39,670 looking for something else and i'm sure 777 00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:41,710 you talked to him about ufos but we'll 778 00:29:46,169 --> 00:29:44,230 we'll talk about that in a second but he 779 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:46,179 says that he finds this trunk and in 780 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:51,010 this trunk a pair of shoes baby shoes a 781 00:29:58,980 --> 00:29:55,630 telescope a doll like a straw doll a 782 00:30:01,799 --> 00:29:58,990 couple of books some money was was in 783 00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:01,809 this trunk and so tell tell us what 784 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:03,100 happened well if people want to look for 785 00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:04,390 it it's actually it was on an episode of 786 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:05,580 mysteries at the museum 787 00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,530 that one show that's on TV so you can 788 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:11,200 probably youtube it or whatever but it's 789 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:12,820 about the trunk and about that thing so 790 00:30:19,169 --> 00:30:17,110 but that was just a thing about the only 791 00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,179 reason i tell the story is because it 792 00:30:22,049 --> 00:30:20,799 gives some validity to Lazar that's the 793 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:22,059 only reason okay 794 00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,210 alright well we're gonna take a quick 795 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:27,760 break wolf and when we come back let's 796 00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,770 pick it up I want to talk about some 797 00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:32,080 Russian research I would like to get 798 00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,100 into that planes that are over at what 799 00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:38,559 is actually being tested over at area 51 800 00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:40,900 today and your thoughts on that all 801 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:42,580 right now do shoot us an email to Jimmy 802 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:44,530 at Jimmy Church radio.com you can follow 803 00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:47,470 us on Twitter follow us on Facebook you 804 00:30:52,289 --> 00:30:50,679 can go and like us on the Jimmy Church 805 00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:52,299 radio fade to black 806 00:30:59,820 --> 00:30:56,200 fanpage this is the dark matter radio 807 00:31:00,270 --> 00:30:59,830 network we still have another two ninety 808 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:00,280 minutes 809 00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:03,880 two segments left Ralph wolf McCarran 810 00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:06,040 I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade 811 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:07,990 to black we will be back right after 812 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:32,109 hey man this is Toby Kebbell you're 813 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:33,970 listening to Jimmy Church radio.com 814 00:31:40,419 --> 00:31:37,730 don't hurt me Jimmy I'm only little Amy 815 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:40,429 drink Rene this is Ari Gold where the 816 00:31:48,129 --> 00:31:46,490 honey brothers hey I'm Adrian Grenier 817 00:31:50,649 --> 00:31:48,139 and I'm Ari Gold where the honey 818 00:32:01,359 --> 00:31:50,659 brothers and you're listening to Jimmy 819 00:32:04,539 --> 00:32:01,369 Church revolution this my popular 820 00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:04,549 opinion reading a book will not make you 821 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:27,370 all right everybody welcome back this is 822 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:28,310 fade to black 823 00:32:35,230 --> 00:32:32,090 Friday night December 20th that's right 824 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:35,240 it is five days before Christmas and we 825 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:36,920 are live from the Jaypee Motorsports 826 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:38,500 Studios right here in Burbank California 827 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:41,450 m4k JCR and the dark matter radio 828 00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:42,200 network 829 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:44,060 I'd like to welcome everybody to the 830 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:45,650 show all right don't forget to follow us 831 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:48,890 on Twitter Facebook YouTube shoot us an 832 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:50,600 e-mail to Jimmy at Jimmy Church 833 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:53,210 radio.com oops 834 00:33:00,700 --> 00:32:58,780 shoot me an email to Jimmy at Jimmy 835 00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:00,710 Church radio calm and you can also do 836 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:04,280 that over on the website all right there 837 00:33:07,930 --> 00:33:06,830 were a bunch of documents wolf we're in 838 00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:07,940 the studio with Wolf 839 00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:11,270 ralphe ralphe wolf McCarran I've known 840 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:14,120 him as wolf for years it's hard to to 841 00:33:19,270 --> 00:33:16,910 say row a bunch of NSA documents that 842 00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:19,280 were just released yeah they're like two 843 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:22,030 thousand nine hundred of them all on 844 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:25,690 area 51 secret aircraft Soviet MiG's 845 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:27,770 what can you tell us about it I know 846 00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:30,770 you've been checking them out I have 847 00:33:35,530 --> 00:33:33,470 looked briefly it's a mountain and when 848 00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:35,540 I say mountain a mountain of material 849 00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:38,180 but what stands out well I mean they 850 00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:39,830 talk about stuff kind of already known 851 00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:42,140 in the field as far as tacit blue and an 852 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:44,360 ox carton and some of the early stuff 853 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:47,150 but there's no alien body things there 854 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:48,320 there's no none of that it's just 855 00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:50,150 basically stuff that they decided to 856 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:51,740 kind of declassify because it's been a 857 00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:53,330 while but it's kind of stuff that's 858 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:55,940 already kind of been through the you 859 00:33:59,680 --> 00:33:57,410 know people kind of public knowledge 860 00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:59,690 kind of know about I'm still going 861 00:34:02,050 --> 00:34:00,620 through the documents because there's 862 00:34:04,030 --> 00:34:02,060 there's a lot of them a lot of pages to 863 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:04,040 read but and still try to clean the one 864 00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:06,170 thing that comm I that brought to me 865 00:34:11,889 --> 00:34:08,270 what was pretty wild is there there's 866 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:11,899 been this security manual for the guards 867 00:34:16,899 --> 00:34:14,450 at area 51 that I've been put in 868 00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:16,909 possession for like 15 years it's never 869 00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:18,830 been we kind of kept this under to our 870 00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,409 hat certain people in the field and I 871 00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:24,320 guess I could talk about it now but it 872 00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:25,790 was released one of the guards that 873 00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:27,230 worked at area 51 kind of slipped it to 874 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:28,760 another researcher friend of ours and 875 00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:30,770 then we had this document for a while a 876 00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:32,360 lot of people there were other 877 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:34,070 arragement one researchers thought this 878 00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:37,340 thing was hoaxed wasn't real but it 879 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:39,380 they finally released it which is just 880 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:41,570 this year in those documents set of 881 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:44,210 pages I've had this this security manual 882 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:45,560 for the security guards for like 15 883 00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:48,290 years and but it's the same manual that 884 00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:49,790 they released that they release is in 885 00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:51,260 there you can look it up it's dead three 886 00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:53,990 security police it's a manual that just 887 00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:56,840 tells you know the operations for the 888 00:34:59,650 --> 00:34:58,280 guards you know once you have what job 889 00:35:02,830 --> 00:34:59,660 you work there 890 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:02,840 it shows what the badges look like at 51 891 00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:05,420 at that time for their passes it's with 892 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:06,620 stuff that I would hold back because the 893 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:08,150 researcher you hold back data you don't 894 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:10,250 tell everything cuz you need some things 895 00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:13,730 to keep back like you know for instance 896 00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:15,230 like how do you pay for your food at the 897 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,060 base you know somebody tells me they 898 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:19,040 worked there I can throw them curveball 899 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:20,630 questions that things that I know about 900 00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:23,210 air 51 that nobody knows they don't tell 901 00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:24,470 me the answer then I know they're you 902 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:25,700 know well the truth is always in the 903 00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:27,770 details always and always have to keep 904 00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,300 things as a researcher that you don't 905 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:31,280 you know you can't divulge you can't 906 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:32,990 publish or whatever so but there's 907 00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:35,330 things like this that we captain and it 908 00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:37,580 does show the sensors the ground sensors 909 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:39,500 that the guards you know when you come 910 00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:42,530 to the base we detect metal these are 911 00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:44,300 sensors that are made by joslin defense 912 00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:45,980 systems that do you want to tell 913 00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:49,700 everybody what I know oh we're not gonna 914 00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:57,440 mention that I so so so want to say 915 00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:00,140 something yeah okay but I did hold it in 916 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:04,700 my hand yeah yeah okay all right 917 00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:09,920 but in this guard manual is there one 918 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:12,500 thing that said was there anything crazy 919 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:13,720 any shoot-to-kill 920 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:17,090 anything about what to do with anybody 921 00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:20,390 that is that is caught well it tells 922 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:22,280 their operations and stuff it shows the 923 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:24,830 building numbers at area 51 it has some 924 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:26,270 you know info about the base that you 925 00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:28,310 could kind of nothing secret but the 926 00:36:33,970 --> 00:36:29,840 guards are just there to do their job 927 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:33,980 you know and I there was a one incident 928 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:37,730 that Glen Campbell and I were hiking to 929 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,430 Freedom Ridge once and this is a kind of 930 00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:42,320 a wild story and and we're hiking up the 931 00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,880 hill and we see all these cars coming at 932 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:45,200 the base like these tourists are gonna 933 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:46,850 man these guys are going kind of fast 934 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:48,290 like they should slow down because a 935 00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:49,880 base you know when you come down groom 936 00:36:52,030 --> 00:36:50,540 Lake Road 937 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:52,040 kind of a lot of people don't know 938 00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:53,210 they're coming onto the border because 939 00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:54,830 it goes there's this turn there's a 940 00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:56,180 sharp right turn all of a sudden there's 941 00:36:59,980 --> 00:36:58,310 the signs but if you don't know that if 942 00:37:01,720 --> 00:36:59,990 you're going down this long road for 12 943 00:37:03,970 --> 00:37:01,730 miles and you're going fast you might 944 00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:03,980 just blow right through that right and 945 00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:05,990 you're not careful mm-hmm so these guys 946 00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,460 in a truck they're come blowing through 947 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,960 we're like oh who are these guys like 948 00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:10,880 what about you idiots you know so they 949 00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:12,710 come blowing through the sign we're on 950 00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:13,940 top of the hill we could see right into 951 00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:15,380 the GAR you know at the guard shack we 952 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,480 can see and then we see the guys you 953 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:19,430 know pull the people out you know m16s 954 00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:21,530 on their heads and everything and they 955 00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:22,940 call the sheriff and the sheriff comes 956 00:37:26,590 --> 00:37:24,350 and they have to arrest them and make 957 00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:26,600 them sign a document was it Bob Lazar no 958 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:28,520 but they make them sign a document that 959 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:29,960 you can never come here if this happens 960 00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:31,430 again they have to pay a fine was it 961 00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:33,380 Shawn Morton no but they have to go to 962 00:37:38,830 --> 00:37:37,280 Alamo the in Alamo to the where the 963 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:38,840 sheriff's and Alamo Nevada and they have 964 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:41,720 to you know basically pay a fine and 965 00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:43,010 then it basically says they can never 966 00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:44,120 you know if they do that again they'll 967 00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:45,470 be thrown in jail for like 20 years or 968 00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:47,990 whatever though you know so so but they 969 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:49,400 they pay a heavy fine for that but we 970 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:51,170 did see you know the guards point guns 971 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:52,430 at people and all that stuff so it was 972 00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:54,350 kind of a waltz have you ever heard and 973 00:37:58,660 --> 00:37:56,750 you know we'd uh there's nothing ever 974 00:38:00,850 --> 00:37:58,670 really concrete but have you ever heard 975 00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:00,860 of anybody actually getting arrested and 976 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:03,860 being taken somewhere I mean what's the 977 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:05,450 holding what would the holding cell be 978 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:07,460 like at area 51 they don't they don't 979 00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:09,110 take it air if you want to take it Alamo 980 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,000 I mean these people were arrested they 981 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:12,800 were taken to the sheriff's which is 982 00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:15,890 Allen Lords 45 minute drive from Rachel 983 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:17,990 Nevada area 51 basically and that's a 984 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:19,730 sheriff substation yeah that's the 985 00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:21,530 sheriff that as a contract with the base 986 00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:23,720 and what have you you know when any type 987 00:38:28,990 --> 00:38:26,660 of trouble happens he's kind of the you 988 00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:29,000 know liaison to the base to for you know 989 00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:30,830 people that don't work there kind of 990 00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:32,600 thing have you ever been confronted by 991 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:38,870 the security let's go we used to do 992 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:40,910 crazy things and Glenn used to do things 993 00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,890 like this to we you know we do things 994 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,200 like we'd drive up to the border in our 995 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:48,640 cars park the car off the side of the 996 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:52,010 road right before the border and you 997 00:38:54,490 --> 00:38:53,210 know Glenn D these things like funny 998 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,500 things like he'd get in the back of the 999 00:38:57,730 --> 00:38:55,760 car and they'd throw a blanket over his 1000 00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:57,740 head you know his whole body so the 1001 00:39:00,700 --> 00:38:59,090 guards come and freaked out they can't 1002 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:00,710 see anybody in the car so they're 1003 00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:02,090 freaking out they have to find you right 1004 00:39:04,359 --> 00:39:03,860 because they don't know they see a car 1005 00:39:06,309 --> 00:39:04,369 by the 1006 00:39:08,049 --> 00:39:06,319 they don't know if you hiked in right so 1007 00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:08,059 their job is to physically find that 1008 00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:09,980 person so they were flashing the lights 1009 00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:11,329 in the car they don't see anybody so 1010 00:39:15,099 --> 00:39:12,980 they pull out the Black Hawk or whatever 1011 00:39:16,029 --> 00:39:15,109 and they gotta find you you know so he 1012 00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:16,039 would spend the night in the car the 1013 00:39:19,779 --> 00:39:18,049 next day just pull tricks with him and 1014 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,789 jump in the car the next day but we used 1015 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:21,200 to monitor their frequencies and stuff 1016 00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:23,450 so we always had kind of the the ante up 1017 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:24,940 on them you know that kind of thing so 1018 00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:26,930 yeah they were there's one instant 1019 00:39:32,049 --> 00:39:29,740 incident there you know where they data 1020 00:39:33,309 --> 00:39:32,059 you know we do things like that too and 1021 00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:33,319 they chase you know they send the Black 1022 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:35,180 Hawk after us and then I pop out of a 1023 00:39:39,009 --> 00:39:36,470 bush and get a good shot of the Black 1024 00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:39,019 Hawk there were many times where we you 1025 00:39:42,609 --> 00:39:41,150 know hide and get I have tons of 1026 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:42,619 videotape of guards I'm eventually gonna 1027 00:39:48,549 --> 00:39:47,089 post it eventually I have a okay 1028 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:48,559 but eventually I'm gonna post this stuff 1029 00:39:54,339 --> 00:39:51,700 on YouTube I got I got you know years of 1030 00:39:56,859 --> 00:39:54,349 video data that's just like just insane 1031 00:39:57,999 --> 00:39:56,869 but there's all kinds of stories like 1032 00:39:59,079 --> 00:39:58,009 that there was a time where we once 1033 00:40:01,059 --> 00:39:59,089 cornered the guards we were with a 1034 00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:01,069 reporter from the New York Times and we 1035 00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,049 record we we were with Glenn and bunch 1036 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:05,359 of other guys at for buys and and we 1037 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:06,650 took this reporter out to kind of 1038 00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:09,170 confront the guards in the the north 1039 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:12,440 side of area 51 and we actually cornered 1040 00:40:16,329 --> 00:40:14,839 this guard in in you know made a circle 1041 00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:16,339 around we cornered them so we could get 1042 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:17,660 the New York Times guy to kind of 1043 00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:20,450 confront him he was he was stuck because 1044 00:40:23,229 --> 00:40:21,710 he couldn't have the whole thing on 1045 00:40:24,999 --> 00:40:23,239 audiotape because we were courting his 1046 00:40:26,589 --> 00:40:25,009 frequencies but he was stuck so the New 1047 00:40:28,749 --> 00:40:26,599 York Times reporter jumped out NASA guy 1048 00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:28,759 like who do you work for and they say 1049 00:40:32,769 --> 00:40:30,140 the usual tag line which is the Nellis 1050 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:32,779 range and this is all is he driving one 1051 00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:34,910 of the infamous white yes the early 1052 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:36,230 white they're different colors now but 1053 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:38,450 but then they were the white turkey yeah 1054 00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:41,210 white jeeps yeah and and and so he he 1055 00:40:44,259 --> 00:40:42,680 confronted him and he said the Nellis 1056 00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:44,269 you know I work for the Nellis test 1057 00:40:49,539 --> 00:40:45,619 range he's not gonna say he works for 1058 00:40:54,849 --> 00:40:49,549 you know this is 2025 years ago yeah 1059 00:40:58,420 --> 00:40:54,859 2293 maybe 93 so yeah 20 years ago and I 1060 00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,430 guess it heard for everybody out there 1061 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:00,319 listening when you're telling a story 1062 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:03,410 like this well it's firsthand but Glen 1063 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:06,170 Campbell I mentioned earlier about UFO 1064 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:07,970 mine calm it's written about that 1065 00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:10,249 unusual mind and but you're with the guy 1066 00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:13,670 that that started that website it's you 1067 00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:16,190 guys out there together and you're out 1068 00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:17,780 there playing 1069 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:21,950 possum with the guards from area 51 I 1070 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:23,450 just want everybody to understand 1071 00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:25,849 exactly what you're trying to say here 1072 00:41:29,859 --> 00:41:27,980 and that's a pretty heavy thought and 1073 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,869 it's a pretty heavy thing to say 1074 00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,240 obviously it happened and you recorded 1075 00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:35,119 everything but I mean it's just a 1076 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,680 fascinating story yeah there's another 1077 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:38,240 incident where we used to we used to run 1078 00:41:42,339 --> 00:41:40,310 along the we used to do this which to 1079 00:41:45,339 --> 00:41:42,349 really kind of get to him weed weed I 1080 00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:45,349 did it's a Tonopah once we'd take our 1081 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:47,480 take our for buys and start you know 1082 00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,670 haulin ass down the road right like 1083 00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:51,200 right coming up to the guard gate and 1084 00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:53,300 then they always have roads along run 1085 00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:56,300 along the border or the the you know and 1086 00:42:00,250 --> 00:41:58,670 I knew this so we call we brought a halt 1087 00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,260 and a somebody make a quick left and 1088 00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:02,240 they see us because there's a guard sex 1089 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:03,830 they freak because they're like who are 1090 00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:06,650 these guys you know and we're going down 1091 00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:08,300 the board I mean this is because I you 1092 00:42:12,609 --> 00:42:09,619 know a videotape a lot of things out 1093 00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:12,619 there as far as doing research I want to 1094 00:42:15,490 --> 00:42:14,270 get a lot of stuff on videotape so we're 1095 00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:15,500 hauling ass the native course send a 1096 00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:17,300 guard after us and there they actually 1097 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:18,980 pulled us over try to pull us over and 1098 00:42:22,089 --> 00:42:20,840 they got m16s and stuff and I'm trying 1099 00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:22,099 to videotape all this stuff and they're 1100 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:23,630 all worried what do you go taping all 1101 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:25,070 this you know their air raise or 1102 00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,510 whatever their microwaves are or just 1103 00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:28,160 I'm trying to tape stuff around the base 1104 00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,140 and and they come up and they see us you 1105 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:31,280 know we're sitting there were scanners 1106 00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:33,410 in our car okay we got scanners and 1107 00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:35,000 antennas on the roof and everything and 1108 00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:37,220 say they know we're monitoring us them 1109 00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:39,589 and then and then you know I'm saying I 1110 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:41,180 got video cameras and everything I got 1111 00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,270 patches on my jacket like area 51 crazy 1112 00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:46,640 stuff so it's like it gets kind of 1113 00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:47,900 hectic I've taken many people out there 1114 00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:49,220 where they're almost like you know 1115 00:42:52,410 --> 00:42:50,540 pissing in their pants and sweating 1116 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:52,420 because you know these guards are 1117 00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:54,650 chasing you and and some people get a 1118 00:42:59,410 --> 00:42:56,780 little it can be a little sketchy at 1119 00:43:01,720 --> 00:42:59,420 times you know it sounds like this is 1120 00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:01,730 just fascinating to me it sounds like 1121 00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:04,070 you were always a step ahead of the 1122 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:05,900 guards yes you know you could see their 1123 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:07,880 lights you're out there at night and and 1124 00:43:13,210 --> 00:43:10,730 so forth did you ever get snuck up on 1125 00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,220 you did you ever get caught well there's 1126 00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:14,720 one time I mean there's ground sensors 1127 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:17,060 there's all kinds of heat you know 1128 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:19,250 there's there's vibration everything is 1129 00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:20,210 in the ground that everything is 1130 00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:22,760 monitored did you ever get snuck up on 1131 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:24,830 well we had frequencies to the sensors 1132 00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,530 so we used to we used to flip the dip 1133 00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:29,119 switches on the sensors the guards never 1134 00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,110 knew this but 1135 00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:33,300 we used to flip this okay so you're 1136 00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:34,710 talking there's a sensor on groom Lake 1137 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:37,950 Road which is where most the tourists 1138 00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:39,210 take to go to area 51 and we knew where 1139 00:43:41,810 --> 00:43:40,500 all the senses was because there was a 1140 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,820 guy that actually tripped over one he's 1141 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:44,400 walking out there so he you know he 1142 00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:46,530 brought it to Glenn and we started kind 1143 00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:47,880 of doing research on him and stuff like 1144 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:49,860 that so we used to we used to trip the 1145 00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:51,330 sensor so the guards would think they're 1146 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:52,680 going into the west side of the base 1147 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:53,910 where they're going to the other side of 1148 00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,770 the base because we tripped the sensors 1149 00:44:00,260 --> 00:43:57,780 we flipped the dip switches so this was 1150 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:00,270 stuff like you know we could come into 1151 00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:04,170 the the you know to groom lake road and 1152 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:05,670 trip sensors on purpose and they start 1153 00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:07,410 heading toward and toward the north side 1154 00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:11,640 of the base so you see dips which I want 1155 00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:13,020 to everybody didn't understand a dip 1156 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:15,600 switch is a series of switches or it 1157 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:17,490 could be one but it's usually a series 1158 00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:19,890 of four little tiny switches that you 1159 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:23,190 can turn on and off a dip switch is what 1160 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:25,170 is inside of your garage door opener 1161 00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,510 that's a dip switch so you're going up 1162 00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:29,400 on these ground sensors and these 1163 00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,900 vibration sensors and turning them off 1164 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,920 essentially what you're doing with it we 1165 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:36,180 know what the dip switch settings were 1166 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:38,010 on the north side of the base so we take 1167 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:39,570 that and make it so it's on the other 1168 00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:47,820 side of the bed is it false signal the 1169 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:49,020 guards they think if somebody's coming 1170 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:51,450 on this side of the base and then they 1171 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:52,770 go to that side of the base then we'd be 1172 00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,090 able to go in and get her you were 1173 00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:56,640 turning you were turning an elite guard 1174 00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:59,220 force into freaking frack yeah and they 1175 00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:00,570 were running around all over the place 1176 00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:04,440 today new videotape yeah oh that is it 1177 00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:05,700 would make us so they would go to the 1178 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:07,080 north side so we'd be able to go on to 1179 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:08,970 the other side which is like ten miles 1180 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:10,410 away and I'd be able to get up to the 1181 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:12,540 mountain shoot video of the base so I'd 1182 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:14,370 have it for you know documentaries or 1183 00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:15,930 whatever what have you so they you know 1184 00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:18,600 we kind of we play we've played a lot of 1185 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:19,590 cat-and-mouse back then 1186 00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:22,830 did you ever see ever see Aurora any 1187 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:25,470 proof of that well you know I spent so 1188 00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:27,210 many times out there used to go out 1189 00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:28,440 there like four or five times a year 1190 00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,510 I know everybody I know Pat really well 1191 00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:32,040 every little alien and everybody there 1192 00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:33,420 and you Joe Travis really well he's 1193 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:36,840 passed on I just got I got just got text 1194 00:45:43,999 --> 00:45:38,850 in from somebody in Florida and they 1195 00:45:47,489 --> 00:45:45,930 actually the sensors they're different 1196 00:45:48,779 --> 00:45:47,499 now though these were the early sensors 1197 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:48,789 they have actually changed them since 1198 00:45:53,609 --> 00:45:51,130 okay back to work did you ever see 1199 00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:53,619 Aurora the elusive Aurora Aurora was a 1200 00:45:57,749 --> 00:45:55,150 plane that was supposedly was creating 1201 00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,759 the sky quakes coming in from California 1202 00:46:01,640 --> 00:45:59,440 the people and the sky quakes have 1203 00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:01,650 stopped I mean I remember those 1204 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:03,880 constantly and they've stopped but back 1205 00:46:10,589 --> 00:46:05,890 to the point did you ever see anything 1206 00:46:12,749 --> 00:46:10,599 like that and no but it was the aurora 1207 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:12,759 was like I think was McDonnell Douglas 1208 00:46:17,099 --> 00:46:14,890 Byrd and and it was kind of funded but 1209 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:17,109 then it kind of they went with something 1210 00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:18,249 else that dropped out but but I'm back 1211 00:46:22,739 --> 00:46:20,349 in 93 94 we were already monitoring the 1212 00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:22,749 drones back in 93 off of coming off of 1213 00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,220 Nellis and stuff we already knew that 1214 00:46:28,349 --> 00:46:26,079 they were doing a lot of big drone 1215 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:28,359 testing and and and things like that 1216 00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:30,460 well they're testing something out there 1217 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:32,740 what what is it that you saw well I 1218 00:46:36,059 --> 00:46:34,990 didn't like you said it until that 93 1219 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:36,069 event that's the only thing I saw 1220 00:46:40,529 --> 00:46:37,450 everything else we were monitoring like 1221 00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,539 be twos stels I got tons of video of 1222 00:46:45,029 --> 00:46:41,920 them doing wargames I do a lot of war 1223 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:45,039 games out there you know MiG's and you 1224 00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,420 know jets flying over your head you know 1225 00:46:51,329 --> 00:46:49,359 the British British plane I mean it just 1226 00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:51,339 just everything like you'll see like you 1227 00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:53,319 know stealth getting revealed out there 1228 00:46:57,329 --> 00:46:54,660 just all kinds of stuff you know 1229 00:46:58,979 --> 00:46:57,339 phantoms we used to we used to go visit 1230 00:47:00,900 --> 00:46:58,989 the fan crashes up there and everything 1231 00:47:04,229 --> 00:47:00,910 there's a lot of guys researchers that 1232 00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:04,239 were just really big into and to trying 1233 00:47:06,779 --> 00:47:05,470 to find out what's going on I spent a 1234 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:06,789 lot of time on ridges up there but never 1235 00:47:12,299 --> 00:47:10,210 I never until 93 after 93 I never really 1236 00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:12,309 saw anything besides regular well this 1237 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:14,049 laughs it's the long it's the longest 1238 00:47:18,499 --> 00:47:16,150 runway in the world right it's like the 1239 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:18,509 longest and they've just made it longer 1240 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:21,609 so it begs have asked the question why 1241 00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:23,650 well the reason they extend runways to 1242 00:47:28,769 --> 00:47:25,630 the b2 because the b2 takes a long time 1243 00:47:30,299 --> 00:47:28,779 to land to physically land because it 1244 00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:30,309 just wants to stay up it takes a long 1245 00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:32,140 time for that thing to land that's why 1246 00:47:35,339 --> 00:47:33,430 they have to extend the runway was for 1247 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:35,349 the b2 but now they have that hangar out 1248 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:37,089 there you know what the hangar they've 1249 00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:38,170 been building that for you is a really 1250 00:47:43,259 --> 00:47:41,079 big hangar it's bigger than the the you 1251 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:43,269 know the other hangar that's out well 1252 00:47:46,589 --> 00:47:44,950 I've seen them I've seen the pictures 1253 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,599 but some people believe there might be 1254 00:47:52,289 --> 00:47:48,160 like one of those stealth blimps in 1255 00:47:54,269 --> 00:47:52,299 there or nobody's actually from ticaboo 1256 00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:54,279 peak which is another vantage point into 1257 00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:55,390 area 51 they actually 1258 00:47:57,930 --> 00:47:56,470 when they started building this hangar 1259 00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,940 they already actually knew there were 1260 00:48:01,380 --> 00:47:59,680 guys like us up there monitoring the 1261 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:01,390 base so they would actually built the 1262 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:04,569 the the workers inside everyone built 1263 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,730 this dirt mountain in front of the 1264 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:09,130 hangar to kind of block people like us 1265 00:48:13,049 --> 00:48:11,740 from looking into this hangar to see 1266 00:48:14,609 --> 00:48:13,059 what's coming in or out of it 1267 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:14,619 but everything they do at night they go 1268 00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:17,170 you know nighttime they go all the 1269 00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:18,430 testing is done at night and there's a 1270 00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:19,750 reason why they do most of testing goes 1271 00:48:23,549 --> 00:48:22,180 on during a new moon because there's no 1272 00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:23,559 moon it ended not gonna test during a 1273 00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,390 full moon because you can see you know 1274 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:26,559 as well as I know you're out in the 1275 00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:27,730 desert in the middle of the desert and 1276 00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:29,230 the moon's full moon you could see 1277 00:48:32,849 --> 00:48:31,390 really really well I mean the moon's 1278 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,859 like a great light bulb right you can 1279 00:48:35,609 --> 00:48:34,240 look next to you now when it's a new 1280 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:35,619 moon you can't see a foot you're out it 1281 00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:37,930 area51 you can't see a foot in front of 1282 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:39,369 your two feet when there's a new moon I 1283 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:41,410 mean it it's dark you know right so 1284 00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:42,609 that's when they do most their testing 1285 00:48:47,339 --> 00:48:45,670 when it's a new moon I wanted to get 1286 00:48:49,769 --> 00:48:47,349 this going really quick at the top of 1287 00:48:52,799 --> 00:48:49,779 the hour we are gonna start taking your 1288 00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,809 calls so I'm gonna release the number 1289 00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:55,359 now to Skype it is 1290 00:49:01,980 --> 00:48:58,660 fade to black fade to black 1291 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:01,990 no spaces and the number fourteen no 1292 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:05,049 spaces again fade to black 1293 00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:08,650 14 Chloe back right after this everybody 1294 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,450 hi I'm Lisa Vance your listings Jimmy 1295 00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:32,240 Church this is revolution the revolution 1296 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:35,790 will not be televised the revolution is